The Incredible Stupid Ending

By Rann
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Rann:  Okay, it’s not the ending itself, per se, that I have a problem with, but rather what the director said about it.

Yuri:  Are you getting nitpicky again?

Rann:  I don’t think so. Just lemme explain.

I just got to watch The Incredible Hulk last night because I missed it in theaters. The ending is about what you’d expect of such a movie, and I was fine with it. Implying Bruce has gained some measure of control of his transformation is decent sequel fodder no matter how you slice it. Unless you slice it like this, from the trivia section of the movie’s IMDB page:

According to Louis Leterrier, the final scene (Banner grins as his eyes turn green) was a deliberately ambiguous shot: it was meant to show that Bruce finally learns to controls the Hulk (for a Hulk sequel) or will become a menace (as the villain for the film The Avengers (2011)).

My issue is with the “become a menace” thing. The Hulk has menaced the Avengers before, obviously… in fact, that’s how the original Avengers got together, they had to stop the Hulk. The PROBLEM here is Bruce grinning as his eyes glow green. With that, the idea that he might become a menace would imply that Bruce decides to become a menace. Which is completely contradicted by the entirety of the movie up to that point.

Bruce spends the entire movie trying not to hulk out, not to hurt anybody, and in the end goes through what he fears most (and rather risks going splat) to protect people as the Hulk. Then we’re supposed to believe that he just all of a sudden decides he wants to be a rampaging menace? That, like Blonsky, he’s addicted to the rush, the destruction, the power? For the entire movie Bruce is someone who defies power for responsibility, and then at the end he just goes “Nah, I think I’ll be a bad guy”? That is bullshit. That is some of the bullshittiest bullshit ever. That is some bad fanfic written by a fifteen-year-old bullshit.

Yuri:  So standard Marvel writing, then?

Rann:  Yes, which does not bode well, it implies that the cancer that is destroying Marvel Comics has infected Marvel Studios too. Nothing we see of Bruce’s journey indicates that he wants anything other than a cure, or in the absence of that, control. Hell, his actions directly preceding the scene where he meditates and his eyes glow would seem to contradict it. I suppose technically there’s nothing to say that someone who has decided he enjoys being a rampaging engine of damage for the thrill of destruction wouldn’t make sure to send their girlfriend’s locket back to her first, but it doesn’t seem very bloody likely. “I no longer care about peoples’ lives and well-being, but here, let me make sure Betty gets her mother’s necklace back.” What? Yeah right. There’s no real catalyst presented for Bruce deciding to go bad, there’s no real reason given. General Ross doesn’t even turn on him once the Abomination has been taken down. If that had happened, if Ross had ordered the troops to start firing on the Hulk instead of just letting him go, then there might be the thinnest of justifications for it, but the worst that happens is the Hulk has a light shined on him by a helicopter. Somehow this doesn’t seem enough of a traumatic catalyst to break something in a good man’s brain after all he’d previously been through.

If Banner deliberately becomes a menace for the Avengers movie, it will be a capitulation to the pathetic, steaming pile of crap that is The Ultimates, a take on the Avengers so crude and distorted that it can only be assumed to come from hostility. And it will suck.


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11/5/2008 9:36 AM
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Comments

1  JimK JimK wrote:

You have raised a good question...one that plagues us ‘net junkies.  How much is too much?  At what point does our seemingly insatiable need to know all the minutiae of a production start to damage our enjoyment of the final product?

Like you, I enjoyed the ending and think it leaves a nice place for a possible sequel.  It also leaves the door wide open for the Avengers thing.  Maybe the point is that Bruce thinks he can control it but it goes hog wild and Hulk goes mental. That I could accept.  The idea that Bruce would choose to be a bad guy?  No.  That’s just stupid.  It totally violates the whole premise of the Hulk. Without the calm, wishing for control Banner, The Hulk is no longer tragic...he’s just a dickhead.  A huge, green irradiated dickhead who deserves to be taken out, not just his current rampage stopped.

As for the Ultimates?  Best What Ifs ever...NOT THE BASIS FOR FUCKING MOVIES WITH CONTINUITY, MARVEL.  Dammit.

United States   11/05 at 03:50 PM  

2  buzzion buzzion wrote:

Although, Banner was wearing the Evil-Spock Goatee…

United States   11/05 at 04:08 PM  

3   Mazz wrote:

Hello… Grey Hulk.

United States   11/05 at 04:17 PM  

4  Rann Rann wrote:

Oh lord no, not Mr. Fixit. I like Wolverine but they don’t need a big grey CG version of him.

United States   11/05 at 04:34 PM  

5  DonnaK DonnaK wrote:

Maybe the point is that Bruce thinks he can control it but it goes hog wild and Hulk goes mental.

That is EXACTLY how I saw it. Bruce tries to control it, knowing he did once before, and it’s just too strong for him and eventually HULK SMASH! And, given that there is NO word on an sequel and we’re probably looking at just a raging Hulk in the Avengers, I think they needed to have that out in place.

I didn’t have any of the problems you seemed to have, Rann. To get to the place of doubt you’re in you have to go through a lot of “ifs” and “ideas” and “implications” and the like. And besides… this is just the director - who was led around on a cock ring by Norton for the entire shoot mind you - just talking out of his ass. I doubt he has any substantial or grounded thoughts on the Hulk or the Hulk sequel. Now, if Norton had said it I might have more concerns, but it’s just Letterier. Screw him. And enjoy the movie - I absolutely adore it. smile

United States   11/05 at 05:11 PM  

6  Vox.Robotica Vox.Robotica wrote:

There was an incredibly ambiguous press release recently that implied that the Hulk wasn’t the villain in the Avengers: 

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5671&Itemid=99

I wonder though, Hulk is mentioned alongside Iron Man, et. al, but could the ‘biggest menace that they face’ be him?  Hmm....

United States   11/06 at 04:24 AM  

7  Rann Rann wrote:

Traditionally, the biggest menace the Avengers have faced has been Ultron. (Without getting into the galaxy-menacing things, which is usually reserved for Crisis Crossovers.) They might have to shift Ultron’s origins from Pym to Stark, but I could see it, since Tony’s obviously already created a pretty complex AI in movie canon.

United States   11/06 at 11:39 AM  

8  buzzion buzzion wrote:

Well wasn’t Pym storyline one of the planned movies to come out before the Avengers movie?  That could possibly be why.

United States   11/06 at 12:08 PM  

9  West Virginia Rebel West Virginia Rebel wrote:

I think it was just Banner thinking he could control ol’ Jade Jaws. And I definitely don’t want to see Joe Fixit. The green Hulk may be dumb, but at least he knows the difference between right and wrong.

I’m guessing it’s going to be more like “Ultimate Avengers” where Banner is basically a prisoner of the government.

United States   11/12 at 04:59 AM  


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